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gathered that Goering was no longer very important as a vital force in Germany, and hence did 
 
not count a great deal in Himmler's calculations one way or another.
 
          Martin Bormann, on the other hand, had been put
 
in by Himmler in the party chancery under Hess, and after Hess' imprisonment in England, 
 
Bormann had taken his place.. So far as the doctor know, Bormann was still a Himmler man. My 
 
Swedish friends had told me that the SS had been expanded enormously and they believed 
 
included 1,500,000 men as early as January 1943. The doctor reported that there were over 
 
2,000,000 men in the SS in October 1943, and that about 600,000 more men were in the Gestapo, 
 
all under Himmler's control and command.
 
                          Himmler realized that Germany could not win the war. He was anxious to 
 
salvage as much as possible from the wreck and knew that the United Nations would not deal 
 
with Hitler on any conditions. I told the doctor that Himmler had a very bad press indeed, in both 
 
England and America, and that it was very doubtful whether the American or British 
 
governments would deal with Himmler on any terms.
 
 
 
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