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Throughout our talk "our friend" intimated but 
carefully avoided haying so directly, utilizing such 
phrases as "You will understand, Mr. Heath, that as a 
loyal German there are certain things that I cannot say 
or discuss with foreigners" that if the war went on 
there was a possibility of the disappearance of the regime.
 
 
He remarked that should he, contrary to his expectations, 
be invited to come to the States, that he was 
certain that Hitler would permit him to, although Ribbentrop 
would object. He referred to the latter's enmity, 
remarking that it dated from the time, some years ago, 
when he had entertained Rlbbentrop shortly before the 
latter's accession to the Foreign Ministry. He was 
accompanying Rlbbentrop to the door and terminated an 
argument by saying to him, "The difference between you and 
me, Mr. Rlbbentrop, is that my final allegiance is to 
Germany and not to a single chief of state," to which 
Ribbentrop replied: "That is where you are wrong. You 
have not to bother (kuemmern) about allegiance to anybody 
or anything except to Hitler."
 
 
After this anecdote he went on to pay his respects
to the Three Powers Pact, which he said was a diplomatic
blunderof which even an apprentice should not have been
guilty. It was against Germany's interests and even more