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standard nations could not co-exist. He stated that 
the present leaders of Germany knew no such minimum 
moral standard and that, therefore, they represented 
an anti-social force in the present world. The 
Germans were a people, he said, who without a second's 
thought would sign a treaty today, break it tomorrow 
and sign a second one the following day. Nations must 
fulfill their treaty obligations, he said, or inter-
national society could not exist.
 
          When he completed his general summary of the Soviet 
Union's attitude toward Germany he said "therefore our 
views coincide".
 
     I told Mr. Stalin that the question of aid to
the Soviet Union was divided into two parts. First, 
what would Russia most require that the United States 
could deliver immediately and, second, what would be 
Russia's requirements on the basis of a long war?
          Stalin listed in the first category the immediate 
need of, first, anti-aircraft guns of medium calibre, 
of from 20 to 37 mm., together with ammunition. He 
stated that he needed such medium calibre guns because 
of the rapidity of their fire and their mobility. He 
stated that all together he needed approximately 
20,000 pieces of anti-aircraft artillery, large and 
small. He believed that if he could acquire such a 
quantity it would immediately release nearly 2,000 
pursuit ships which are today required for the pro-
tection of military objectives behind the Soviet lines 
and such planes, if released, could be used as attacking