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                 Enclosure No. 2 to despatch                
 
                                                            
 
                 No. 652 of Oct. 15, 1942.                  
 
                                                            
 
                      October 3, 1942.                      
 
                                                            
 
 
Brief Summary of Interview Between the Cardinal  
Patriarch of Portugal, Mr. Myron Tayaor, the Personal Rep-  
resentative of the President of the United States of America  
to His Holiness the Pope, Mr. Bert Fish, American Minister to Portugal,  
and lieut. Colonel Joseph Rodrigo, American Military Attache
 
                                                            
 
 
The President's Special Envoy to the Vatican, Mr. Myron Taylor, Mr Bert   
Fish, American Minister to Portugal, and Lieut. Col. Joseph Rodrigo,   
American Military Attache, called on His Eminence, Dom Manuel CereJeirs,   
Cardinal Petriarch, at 4 o'clock P.M. on October 3, 1942. They were  
received in the Salon of the Nobility, and, after the exchange  
 greetings, the following is a brief digest of what transpir
 
                                                            
 
 
Ambassador Taylor referred to his great pleasure in having an opportunity   
to call on the Cardinal Patriarch and present to him a few details of his   
trip. He stated that he had had three conferences with His Holiness, the   
Pope, and had an extended talk with Cardinal Maglione as well as one or   
two other officials at the Vatican, all of whom were intimately known to   
His Eminence. Mr. Taylor also brought out the fact that on his return to   
Madrid General Franco had sent for him and he had had an extended talk   
with him in regard to the future peace. He pictured the Caudillo as a man   
of rather closed mind who was weighed down by the bogy of Bolshevism and   
its terrifying implications for Western Europe in case the Allies should   
win. Mr. Taylor also recited the fact that he had called on Count Jordana   
and found him to be a man of open mind and appreciative of the efforts   
which were being made. He also stated that he had called on the Papal   
Legate at Madrid and had discussed with him the various items of his trip.   
The Cardinal then replied that he appreciated Mr. Taylor's news relatory   
and understood the position and fears of General Franco, and had long ago   
been told of Franco's tendency to close his mind to many of the changes   
which were coming on. He stated, however, that the information which was   
reaching him from Spain indicated that Spain, more and more, was getting   
             out from under the Axis influence.             
 
                                                            
 
 
Mr. Taylor then went on to state that while in the  
United States he had had many occasions to call on Archbishop Spellman,   
the Papal Nuncio in Washington and others, and had discussed with these   
leading Catholics many of the problems which face all Christians during   
the present war. The Cardinal replied that he knew these people well and   
understood their views and sympathized with them.  Mr. Taylor then went on   
to remark that his present mission was to present to His Holiness, the   
Pope, a Memorandum which had been drawn up in conjunction with the leading   
Catholics and clergy of American and which had been approved by the   
President of the United States, the Secretary of State and the   
Under-secretary, Mr. Wells. He stated, that while he had not