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Mr. Keeny: We will be very happy to sit down and work out the                                                  i  
details of these plans so that when practical questions come up,  
we will be able to meet them.                                 
 
 
Mr. Taylor: If you get in troubled waters, call on Brigadier Pardirison,   
who is always helpful in taking us out of difficulties.     
 
The National War Fund refuses solicitation for private funds for   
ambulances, We cannot ask for money in America without their permission.   
We have "passed the hat" in the past to get the 50 trucks which we have   
now received. They won't let us do that at the moment, but we are going to   
protest. I sent a very strong telegram to the Chairman of the President's   
Committee urging that they allow this and asking for a reversal of the   
National War Fund's decision. They will allow us to make a sort of drive   
through the Italian language news paper within the limits of the city of   
New York on the condition that a third of what we receive be turned over  
to the National War Fund. This makes the task very difficult for          
i people in American Relief for Italy to collect funds for the National   
War Fund.  
 
 
Mr. Keeny: Do you think that means that you will not be able to get        
any ambulances through this organization?  
 
 
Mr. Barr: We requested 100, and the funds are available.  
 
 
Mr. Taylor: Judge Marchisio says that American Relief for Italy can get   
the money if it has permission. If UNRRA had the money, it wouldn't have   
to ask permission from the National War Fund to buy ambulances.  
 
 
Mr, Barr: They cost $2,500 each--a total of $250,000 for 100 ambuiahce's.  
 
 
Mr. Keeny: We have a request in for 100. The whole list has not been   
approved for actual procurement. This news of yours means that we ought   
to fight harder for them, I will press harder for ambulances knowing you   
have this difficulty.  
 
 
Mr. Barr: With the needs so heavy 100 ambulances from UNRRA and  
100 from American Relief for Italy will still not be enough.  
 
 
Mr. Taylor: The Red Cross is expecting a certain number of ambulance.  
 
 
Mr. Barr: The American Red Cross is sending 50 ambulances to the Italian   
Red Cross as a gift. They are not new. They are Red Cross ambulances which   
were owned by chapters in America and which were called together and   
reconditioned to send to Italy.  
 
 
Mr. Keeny: All of this indicates the necessity for our keeping in  
touch and reenforcing each others programs.  
 
 
Mr. Taylor: That is what we have been proposing from the beginning.  
 
 
MR. Barr: I noticed in your last manifest that your shoes are  
either going to other countries or into refugee camps in Italy.  
 
 
Mr. Keeny: That is one point we must decide--how much we need for   
refugees and how much we have for general distribution.  
 
 
Mr. Barr: There may be some things we have that you do not have.  
 
 
Mr. Keeny: I should be very happy to get that information and to  
make plans. We will send further details as soon as we get the                                                    l~  
manifests. We have a ship on the ocean containing approximately                                                  ~  
7,500 tons, mostly food. A number of other items are probably in